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| "Imagine all the world living life in Peace...!" The question remains, should we pissed at this act of urinating on the dead enemy? |
We train our men in the military to kill, we train them to be animals but then when they urinate on a dead enemy they could be court marshaled?
Should we be pissed at this act of urinating on the dead enemy?
I believe the recent act of 4 U.S. marines urinating on dead Afghan soldiers, most likely Taliban is not a class act.
Now imagine you are under the stresses of death and dying and testosterone is running high in a country where there is not many ways to release one's stresses, on top of that you are a 20 year male trained to kill. Now the country that trained you to kill warrants to court marshal you and hand down prison time for urinating on the dead enemy.
I do not condone this act, and feel it is a classless act however in time of war how can we say it's OK to blow another's brains out but you could face jail time for peeing on them? Remember this enemy straps bombs to their bodies and kills men woman, and innocent children without remorse.
Our politicians need to quit worrying about the public relations of war and just get out of the war business altogether.
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Should we be pissed at this act of urinating on the dead enemy?
I believe the recent act of 4 U.S. marines urinating on dead Afghan soldiers, most likely Taliban is not a class act.
Now imagine you are under the stresses of death and dying and testosterone is running high in a country where there is not many ways to release one's stresses, on top of that you are a 20 year male trained to kill. Now the country that trained you to kill warrants to court marshal you and hand down prison time for urinating on the dead enemy.
I do not condone this act, and feel it is a classless act however in time of war how can we say it's OK to blow another's brains out but you could face jail time for peeing on them? Remember this enemy straps bombs to their bodies and kills men woman, and innocent children without remorse.
Our politicians need to quit worrying about the public relations of war and just get out of the war business altogether.
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23 comments:
Chester Lau said via Facebook;"Shalom Rabbi:
I agree totally with your post,We should mandate all the politicians (War hawks) be on the front line with the troops on wars they created and see how they reacted when facing bullets & bombs or picking up week old battle remains,war is HELL!!!war mongers should experience wars before creating senseless wars for profits ,these combat marines or soldiers should never be in Iraq in the first place !!!Where are GW Bush & the war profiteers now ?"
Unc C
Douglas Dunn said via facebook;"I understand the sentiment of the blog, and the unimaginable pressures we ask our young heroes to serve under including sending them to distant lands to fight and die and waste their lives to enrich big oil companies and the "defense contra...ctors" that profiteer of their ultimate sacrifices.
That said, they are volunteers, they are trained and they are a professional fighting force.
I also understand that our brave law enforcement officers work under tremendous life-and-death pressures and hair-trigger (literally) decisions, but we still do not excuse police brutality or taking human life without adequate cause. We send our military heroes to foreign lands under the guise of nation building and teaching democracy; we cannot tolerate having them undo all the goodwill that the vast majority of their comrades in arms have worked so hard to instill.
The vast majority of our heroic law enforcement officers and our brave military heroes do not succumb to the temptations to debase others. We send them there to protect us and to make the world a better place. Urinating on the corpses of the native inhabitants of the lands they occupy undermine both causes."
Doug, as I said I am not condoning the act, just the hypocrisy of the whole situation is what concerns me. Why is OK to blow the enemies brains out, but peeing them is a sin. This enemy has killed innocent people and when you are 18, 19, or 20 and full of tester one things happen. I agree it's not right but it is not right to court marshal our own soldiers or give them prison time for pissing on a cruel enemy. The politicians are hypocrites , they can't even get along with each other yet alone an enemy that kills innocent woman and children. I understand what your saying but all I am saying is give these kids a break. What pisses me off (pun intended) is everyone being holier than thou...
Douglas Dunn via facebook;"I understand what you are saying, Kimo.
But the fact is that it is NOT OK to "blow the enemies brains out" unless you are directly under fire. My city of Escondido is practically adjacent to the Marine base Camp Pendleton.
Right now, seve...ral Americans who served in Iraq are on trial (court martial) for MURDER because they shot civilians who posed no threat.
I'm sorry, Kimo, but firing under battle is one thing, pissing on corpses that are NO THREAT TO YOU but which will stir up local anger against Americans and undermine our entire goodwill mission there, is unnecessary, unprofessional, and conduct UNBECOMING of the dignity of the many proud heroes who did not commit such atrocities.
Same idea as police officers: someone is shooting at you and you shoot back and kill them, you're OK. Shoot an unarmed civilian who is no threat and you go on trial for murder.
I do agree that the duress and pressure of the immediate moment should be taken into consideration, and recognize that it is not the same as, for example, a random gang shooting. But it is not only wrong but it needs to be dealt with harshly (not as harsh as a civilian murder), and we need to remind the few aberrant heroes of the professional standard we expect of them and what their mission is.
Any soldier who undermines the mission is a liability that can not be tolerated in the field."
Doug it is OK to blow the enemies brains out, soldiers are trained to kill in self defense or if their lives are in immediate danger. Blowing ones brains out is metaphorically used...Really you think these kids should be court marshaled? These kids see death and blood daily, likely candidates for PTSD, sure it was not a class thing to do, but then again the enemy is anything but a class act. How can you say it's legal to kill but you will get court marshaled at 18 for urinating on the people we taught you to kill?
Douglas Dunn said via facebook;"One can "blow brains out" in self defense, under fire.
The soldiers were NOT "taught to kill" anyone who was not an immediate danger of shooting at them.
In fact, they were trained extensively not to.
... Corpses do not fire and the soldiers had absolutely no fear of being shot at by those corpses.
The MISSION there is to destroy the enemy that was harboring terrorists who invaded us on 9-11-2001 (who, by the way, moved out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan long ago, after George Bush let them escape at Tora Bora) and bring democracy and goodwill as part of nation building.
Any conduct that undermines the mission, as this does, is subject to court martial.
Again, I agree the penalties should reflect the reality of the condition, but behavior that undermines our entire mission and destroys innocent lives and which is contrary to what they were taught, must be dealt with, both as punishment to offenders and a deterrent to future insubordination and war crimes against humanity."
Davis "3-D" Danizier said via facebook;"Fascinating!
Insightful, thoughtful comments all around!
Issues of moral complexity make for interesting exchanges!"
either way, war sucks... and as Uncle Chester says," We should mandate all the politicians (War hawks) be on the front line with the troops on wars they created and see how they reacted when facing bullets & bombs o...r picking up week old battle remains,war is HELL! Now "Imagine all the world living life in Peeeeeace! Imagine theres no heaven, above us alone clouds..."
Douglas Dunn via facebook;"All wars suck.
But at least if another country invades and we are defending ourselves, we can justify it.
Wars of choice on foreign soil?
Yes, we should have only sent in troops behind Bush and Cheney personally leading the way.
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[In fairness, I note the difference between Iraq, which was purely a war of choice for oil against a country that was no threat to us, and Afghanistan, where the Taliban government was harboring terrorists who invaded us. But as Clinton proved in 1993 after the first World Trade Center bombing shortly after he was sworn in, he was able to use surgical police tactics and successfully capture ALL of those who were involved without starting a war, much less invading the wrong country.]
But war crimes at the top do not excuse war crimes on the front lines, though perhaps they provide the example that creates the example that makes such tragedies more likely. And whatever penalties are due the urinators, it should be ten times that much for Bush and Cheney."
Maybe the urinaters should had unrinated on the politicians that got us into these wars?
Douglas Dunn said via facebook;" I can definitely agree with that!
Cheers!
James Kimo Rosen Doug, here's an interresting article which btw I titally agree with... http://news.yahoo.com/perry-urges-no-criminal-charges-over-marines-video-170256198.htmlPerry urges no criminal charges over Marines' video
news.yahoo.com
Republican presidential hopeful Rick Perry said on Sunday it would be "over the ...top" to file criminal charges against four US Marines who urinated on dead militants in Afghanistan.See more...
Aloha guys,
War changed immensely with Vietnam. There we had the video of today's battle on the screen at home almost immediately.
That said, one of my many memories of WWII is a photograph of a Japanese NCO with his sword raised, ready to cut off the head of a captured Australian pilot. Another of my memories is of a dead Chinese woman in Nanking . . . horribly violated by troops.
I think Marines used to be trained to kill, and kill the enemy before he kills you. If pissing on a dead enemy is the worst they do, I can live with that.
Ciao.
Chester Lau, via Facebook;"Kimo & Doug:Bonjour,tou le monde"
Chester Lau via Facebook;"both of you are right on the money on pissing on the death,we need to prosecute the war profiteers who send them to Iraq in the first place,but where are the officers of this unit? we all make mistakes,the young GIs need more training ,not just know how to fire a weapon.I mandate George W.Bush & gang for front line duty with the Infantry on the war on IRAN !!!"
Chester Lau via facebook;"I would like a light sentence for the marines,maybe a week to do my dishes & windows."
Unc, when they are done with your dishes send them over to me to pull the weeds in my garden...
Chester Lau said vis facebook;"Herr Michael: I say hahaha,I like watch pretty girls on Tv better than dead bodies any time,just bring in more pretty hula girls please,Shalom & PEACE :-)"
John Rogers via facebook;"Am I all wrong on this. I believe that when the soldiers were parading around the naked prisoners and abusing them at Abu Grad (sorry I don't remember the correct spelling) it was wrong and those people were prosecuted, but to abuse dead "s...oldiers" by peeing on them is ok? I get everyone's point but when is one thing ok and another not ok? I understand one is alive and the other dead but when is enough enough. And I very much agree that all invested in the war machine, Bush, Cheney, and all, should be sent to the front lines to face what they have created. An old Vietnam quite, "War is not healthy for children and other living things". Afganistan is just another Vietnam, a war that can not be won. A big waste of time and huge amounts of money, making the rich richer."
Good point Mr. Rogers, but my point was and still is, i do not condone these things, but war is war, we can teach soldiers to kill but to court marshal for peeing on the dead enemy? Discipline yes, but not prison time or court marshal.
Chester Lau said via facebook;"to vitalize the world economy & our own,I propose that people can buy a ticket to piss on the war mongers on TV at Aloha stadium ,here is my 50,cent ,don't rush,you Guys & Gals need to get in line!!! I see the parking lot are full of beer drinkers....best one wins another 6 packs..."
Unc, I'll buy a set of season tickets, maybe even a corporate box to be able to watch it in slow motion!
Chester Lau via facebook;"For gallantry beyond the call of duty,The IRS can award a prize for the one who can hit the top war monger from 5 yard line & increase the prizes with every added yardage..could be an all year round party to save the US treasury & we don't need the IRS any more :-)"
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