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Let me answer that question with a question, is homosexuality something you are born with or a choice?
The debate goes both ways, some believe one is born homosexual and others believe it to be a choice. The reason being is many gays were once married to spouses of the opposite sex and raised families. Later in life they decided to experiment in other ways and basically changed preference.
The recent trial of Penn state football coach Jerry Sandusky has put pedophilia and child molestation back in the national spotlight.
Is it possible 20 years from now pedophiles will be asking for marriage rights? I surely hope not.
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20 comments:
via facebook;" the debate does not go both ways. You miss the point.
Pedophilia, as a class of RAPE, is not about sex, sexual attraction or relationships. It is about insecurity and domination over someone weaker. But even that misse...s the point. In pedophilia, there is a VICTIM -- someone who gets injured.
In contrast, same sex relationships are RELATIONSHIPS. They are loving, long-term BONDS between two equal, sharing partners. Moreover, THERE IS NO VICTIM.
It does not even matter if one is born with the predilection to hurt others, they still can't be allowed to hurt others. But in contrast, something that HURTS NO ONE, and doesn't even affect anyone, doesn't matter whether it is inborn or not, either -- IT IS NO ONE ELSE'S BUSINESS."
Society now accepts a lifestyle that was once frowned a few years back,what's going to be in 20 years? What will be the new homosexuality?What was once considered immoral is now considered an acceptable lifestyle.
Doug, there are instances of pedohilia that are consenting, would that then make it right? Just as instances of homosexuality not being consenting. As Morality slips, so will society.
via facebook;"there are NO INSTANCES when, by very definition, someone UNDER THE AGE OF CONSENT -- who lacks the legal capacity for consent -- is involved in a CONSENTING relationship. According to your "logic," there could be no such thing as statutory rape, which involves minors who participated voluntarily in relationships, but who are deemed to have been raped because they do not have the capacity for consent.
And you beg the question by avoiding the actual point: our society has evolved to recognize that MORALITY is not based on some pronouncement of an invisible sky god of ancient myths written thousands of years ago, but is based on what hurts people. Rape hurts people. Pedophilia hurts people. Loving, equal relationships by CONSENTING ADULTS does not hurt anyone. It is no one else's business.
Let public policy address public matters and keep the government out of our private lives. That is the essence of LIBERTY."
via facebook;"nteresting topic.....and agree w/ Douglas you have brought up two totally different subjects. Would think most any culture would frown on anything resembling rape or pedohilia. At least I would hope. But have to agree w/ Jim that according to some the line has seemed to move. I would contend that what is un-natural now has become acceptable by some. My opinion is there are absolute truths which you either hold to, or you have to believe that there is no such thing as absolute truth. My opinion is man was mean't for woman, not another man. I know I will get hell on this site of saying this. Evidently the assumption is if you actually believe and follow something in this life, you hate those who don't believe the same as you. NOT TRUE! I find that the people who claim to be the most tolerant often only have one enemy....and thats a person how dares to have an opinion.. Often has nothing to do with who really cares for or allows others to make up their own minds, but more to do with wanting to stop the idea of mindsets that conclude some things are un-healthy and not good for you, and therefore should be tabu...Its too late... and I better quit...."
My point is that Homosexuality when I was growing up was totally unacceptable and was taught to be a perverted act. And what is perverted now may soon be acceptable in the near future. Just something to think about.
via facebook;"yes. can't wait for human sacrifice to come into vogue again."
via facebook;"Yes, James Kimo Rosen, something has definitely changed -- a line moved, as Steven put it. And this is the line that has moved: we, as a civilization, have become more advanced, more moral, and more discerning about the basis for what is ri...ght and wrong and what belongs in the public venue.
Rape, pedophilia and human sacrifice hurt other people and cause societal disruption. They are clearly within the legitimate purview of public policy to address. Same sex relationships by CONSENTING ADULTS hurts no one and is no one else's business. The line that has been moved is that we have learned where to come down harder in defense of the defenseless, and when to stop sticking our noses into other people's private business."
via facebook;"Davis D. Danizier Well, speaking of human sacrifice, it has been in "vogue" in the modern devolution of Christianity (which bears little resemblance to any of the teachings attributed to Jesus) for hundreds of years. It remains the cornerstone of "Christian" superstition."
http://danizier.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/bloody-human-sacrifice-atonement-mythology/
via facebook;" The very center if Christianity is about a human sacrifice, but it was willing, and settled a debt once and for all. Make it into whatever you feel like, but for those of us that believe, it is not mythology, and its the center of what Jesus taught lived and died for."
via facebook;"Davis D. Danizier Jesus NEVER TAUGHT that dying on a cross would pay for anyone else's sins.
The renegade "apostle" Paul, who undermined and contradicted virtually all major teachings attributed to Jesus, was the one who introduced the bizarre, unjust concep...t that killing an innocent man somehow atones for OTHERS' sins and makes them go away.
Jesus taught that salvation and the conquest of human imperfections (sins) comes through universal compassion expressed through deeds (works). The ONLY place that Jesus himself describes the final judgment is his last general teaching before going up into the little upper room for the Last Supper and the "end of things" and he says it is based on how we treat others compassionately. Earlier in his ministry, when asked what it takes to be saved, he gave the parable of the Good Samaritan. Do you know who the Samaritans were? They were the NON BELIEVING foreigners (in part, ancestors of the modern Palestinians). They were the hated enemies of the Jews, for much the same reason as the modern Palestinians (fighting over the West Bank). Yet because a hated NON BELIEVING SAMARITAN acted compassionately, Jesus held HIM up as the example of compassion and then said to the lawyer who asked the question, "This do and you will be saved." (Luke 10:25-37).
In contrast, Paul taught that all ya gotta do is believe, join the right team, and you'll be saved.
My web page posted in my previous post goes into extensive point-by-point detail the reasons for the absurdity of your doctrine of HUMAN SACRIFICE. (If Paul says the "wages of sin is death" and Christians say that Jesus "paid the price" for us because he died, then they also say, "Jesus lives," then HE DIDN'T PAY THE PRICE.
In like vein, I have a specific web page that goes into extensive detail, always with CHAPTER AND VERSE citing the specifics from YOUR OWN BOOK that show the extensive, in-depth contradictions between the renegade "apostle" Paul and Jesus (along with Jesus' brother, James)"
http://danizier.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/paul-vs-jesus-and-james/See morePaul vs. Jesus (and James)
danizier.wordpress.com
via facebook;" I think you know that your so far off and contrary to what any Christian theology teaches, and there has been much debate, for many years. Just face it your against Christians and you don't agree with their conclusions. So much so you have twisted things to basically make up your own religion..."
via facebook;" All of my claims have been extensively documented with CHAPTER AND VERSE from YOUR OWN "SCRIPTURES."
I think YOU are the one who knows that my carefully-documented specifics are beyond your ability to respond, so now you are just flailing about in pointless desperation, with absolutely ZERO specific response to any of it."
Steven and Doug, I invite both of you as dakinetalk guest-bloggers to further either POV!
via facebook;""REally...no point in throwing any verses around, since your going to just twist them to say what you want. You know that 99.9% of those who have done extensive study would disagree with you, and you must hear it all the time."
via facebook;"You do a great job of gettng everyone riled up, Kimo! Not sure if you meant this tongue in cheek, or not. However, Douglas is right. the crux of the issue is the ability to give conscent , & children do not have that ability."
Douglas was right, however remember many cases of Pedophilia as in the Catholic church are homosexual pedophiles. My point again is what is considered taboo today may not be in the near future.
via facebook;"most pedophiles, like Jerry Sandusky, are STRAIGHT MEN, not gays.
And again, Kimo, the point that taboos change is less important than WHY they change. I will repeat my point: The line that has been moved is that we have learned where to come down harder in defense of the defenseless, and when to stop sticking our noses into other people's private business."
Doug, most pedophiles I have read about victimize same gendered...Look at the Catolic church many male priests victimizing young males... very very common...
Doug read this report, it says gays are kre likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals...
http://rense.com/general24/reportpedophilia.htmReport - Pedophilia More Common Among 'Gays'
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